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    Default 62 build sheet code ?

    I copied this from another forum I moderate on.

    A new member has a build sheet question on his 62, possibly someone here can answer it? If you can i'll pass it on.

    Mike


    Matt & Steve, I'm the guy from La Crosse with the black '62 Grand Prix.
    Any way, my question concern's the build sheet in my GP. I found it glued to the left side inner rear side panel of the arm rest. Not a popular place to find it but sure enough, there it was when I took the car apart a few year's ago. Ever since then I've been trying to find out what the code SY is. So far I've not had any success from anyone. Does some one here have a clue what it may be? Appreciate the help & look forward to future question & answer time.

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    Here's what the response to the original question was. I'm going to post the entire email I rec'd as a response. Since the forum won't allow it to be posted all in one shot I'm splitting it into two parts. Hopefully this'll help someone else in the future.

    I want to thank John V for taking the time to sort this out.
    Mike

    1st part

    Hi Mike,

    The response to the original question evolved over time. The SY code that was handwritten along with the other alpha codes on the "Build Sheet" found in the car was the one in question.

    It turned out that the Doraville Pontiac Manifest Form identifies most all of the available options for '62, by written description, alpha code, and numeric Sales Code.

    These codes are laid out on the Form in a preprinted format.

    To best illustrate this, I am attaching an example of the Doraville Olds Manifest for '62. Very similar to the Pontiac Form, except the listed options are all different.

    What you will see on this Form is all of the preprinted Options. If the Option is chosen, the code Box is Marked. For example, this car had the Oldsmobile Sales Code 431, alpha code G, Windshield Washer option, so a 1 was marked in the appropriate ****e for the Box 43 options to indicate this option was included.

    If the option was included, but was standard content, instead of the numeral being marked in the Box, an "*" was marked instead. As example this car was a Station Wagon and the Electric Rear Window was standard content for this particular model, so an asterisk is marked in the appropriate ****e in Box 65 (whereas a 1 would have been marked if it was not standard content).

    On the Olds Form, you will see a typed Q1, and under that 51. Q1 was the code for the Special Duty Engine Cooling Option for the '62 Olds, and apparently it had a Sales Code of 51 something.

    This option was not preprinted on the Manifest Form, just added at the tail end. This car did not get this option, so there is no code marked under it.

    The Pontiac Form had a wider open ****e at the end of that line, had codes starting from SY/60 and 6 more on that line. Each alpha Code showing the 2 digit numeric code to identify the Box where the option would otherwise have been coded. The 2 digit Box no. comprising the 1st 2 digits of 3 digit numeric Sales Code.

    In addition, on the Pontiac Manifest Form there were 9 more listed out in the ****e below that is labeled Special Instructions.

    Each of these 16 codes identified some Additional option that could have been ordered or included in the build that was not a "preprinted" option choice. Apparently, then, each manifest had these typed codes listed whether or not any of them were ordered.

    If the option was actually included, under the code it would be marked accordingly.

    In the case of the GP, the only additional code marked was the SY/60. Under that code listing, an "*" was marked. Since Sales Code 601 identifies the Console option in subsequent years, and since Sales Codes were commonly carried over from year to year, plus the fact that I knew the Console was standard content for the GP and wasn't identified anywhere else on the Form as a possible option, I was certain that the SY/60 was intended to code the Console. The asterisk was expected because for this particular model (GP), the Console was std. equipment, not extra cost.

    I didn't expect all of the other extra option codes and have not attempted to associate any with other possible special equipment options, but I'm confident that they are shown on the Manifest Form and would be marked if the car included any of them. This GP did not have any others marked, just the SY/60.

    I also discovered that the alpha Codes were listed on the Build Sheet in order that they would be found on the Manifest. That allowed me to determine that the first "J" that John T. transcribed from his Build Sheet was actually a "JV", that corresponded to Sales Code 441, the Visor Vanity Mirror option. A stain on the Build Sheet apparently made the "V" unreadable. But the alpha Codes written on the Build Sheet followed the precise sequence that they are marked on his Manifest, so there was no doubt for this.

    Here is how I related it to John T. I will excerpt as necessary, and revise for things I learned after his response.

    I have pored over the '62 Doraville Manifest & Build Sheet.

    I am still confident that SY/60 is most likely the Code for the Floor Console.

    One thing I did resolve for you. The Build Sheet does not list two "J" codes as you thought.

    The Build Sheet lists the codes in the order that the related Options are listed numerically, first listing all of the Regular options, then followed by any Options from the added list of Typed Codes.

    The Manifest shows many more Typed Option Code possibilities than just the SY.

    Looking at the Build Sheet, the last Code shown is SY.

    If you follow the sequence of Regular Option Codes on the Build Sheet, you will see that they follow in sequence with the order that these codes would be listed in a numerical Sales Code sequence on the Manifest. The last one is SY and is "out of numerical sequence" but follows as expected by the order it is found on the Manifest.

    So the 1st Regular Option your car has is Sales Code 392 which identifies the Super Deluxe Radio with Electric Antenna. Alpha code ES.

    The Build Sheet is coded ES-K-KK-G-JX-FC.

    That brings me to the next Regular Option that your Manifest is coded with, Sales Code 441, Visor Vanity Mirror. Alpha code JV.

    This is one of the codes you showed as J. If you look at the Build Sheet, there is a stain that makes it impossible to see the "V" in the picture. Perhaps it is not even visible with the naked eye. But I am certain that this next code was actually written as JV when the Build Sheet Codes were written out.

    After JV comes JJ-GZ-H-DM-F-GY-FX-FR-HH-HX

    That brings me to the next Regular Option sequenced numerically on the Manifest that your car was built with, Sales Code 494, Parking Brake Lamp. Alpha code J.

    Then C-L. You reported this as a combined CL code. I thought this seemed strange. From looking at the pic, I detect the same DOT between the C & L as between each other separate pair of options. Look again at it, see if you don't agree. I think it is logical that these options are noted separately.

    Then LL-I-QX-SZ-QC-N-M-AB

    Sales Code 694, alpha code AB, is the last Regular Option coded on the Manifest. Perfectly in order on the Build Sheet as they are found in numerical sequence from the Manifest.

    Of the Regular Options, the following are coded with an asterisk (*) to indicate that they are Standard Content Items in the GP, not extra cost.

    K - Dual Speed Electric Wipers (Sales Code 402, same code used in '64)
    KK - Custom Foam Cushion-Rear (Sales Code 411, not used in '64)
    JX - Instrument Panel Pad (Sales Code 424, same code used in '64)
    H - Custom Steering Wheel (Sales Code 461, same code used in '64 except it was called the Deluxe Steering Wheel that year)
    DM - Decor Moldings (Sales Code 464, same code used for Decor Moldings in '64, Decor Moldings varied depending on what Model, I assume this option was for the specific Moldings that were used with the GP, as the option is shown as Standard Content)
    LL - Dual Exhaust (Sales Code 511, same code used in '64)
    SZ - Bucket Seats (Sales Code 562, same code used in '64)
    QC - Spare Wheel & Tire Cover (Sales Code 572, same code used in '64)
    M - Electric Clock (Sales Code 604, same code used in '64).

    In fact, most of the Regular Option Sales Codes used in '64 were the same as used in '62. There are some exceptions.

    The Heater was standard in '64 although a Heater Delete Option was offered (Sales Code 584). Sales Code 381 was used for the 2+2 Option (Catalina only) and Sales Code 382 was used for the GTO Option (Lemans only).

    Radio & Antenna Options were similar except the basic radio was Manual Tune, the Deluxe Radio was Pushbutton Tune, and an AM-FM Radio Option was also offered for the big Pontiacs only.

    Instead of Custom Foam Cushion-Rear, Sales Code 411 was initially used for the Front Pair Seat Belt Option and later in the '64 Model Year when Seat Belts were made Standard Equipment on all GM cars, Sales Code 411 was assigned to the Wire Wheel Discs that had been a Dealer Accessory Package only early in the year. When Seat Belts were made Standard, Sales Code 414 was added as the Seat Belt Deletion Option.

    In '64 the manual Outside Rearview Mirror was Sales Code 602. In '62, this Option was Sales Code 45?. Since the sub no. boxes are illegible almost throughout the do***ent copy, it is impossible to know if this Option was assigned Sales Code 451, 452, or 454.

    There are a number of other variances, much of it because of Options being added to the '64 Option List that didn't exist in '62.

    It just occurred to me that the long list of additional Option Codes on your Manifest may or may not represent Special Equipment Options.

    Rather, I now think that the list on the Manifest represents Additional Options that were available but that were not coded on the preprinted Form.

    And they would be marked the same as the Regular Options if they were actually installed for that Build.

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    part 2

    In your case, we know SY was included because you have the Build Sheet.

    Looking at the Manifest, there is just the slightest hint that there is a mark under the SY and in the same horizontal line as the typed numerals and asterisks for all other included options on your car.

    I remain convinced that SY/60 is for the Floor Console and the Sales Code for it is 601, same Sales Code used for it in '64.

    If I am correct, that faint mark under it on the Manifest is an Asterisk (*), as would be expected because this Option is Standard Content in the GP.

    None of the other Additional Options have any apparent marks below them, for either the ones listed alongside SY/60 or for those Additional Options listed in the Line below.

    So my assumption is that these additional Codes reflect available options (whether considered Regular or Special Equipment). It would have been expedient to have these options listed this way rather than create a new Form I suppose.

    The Numeric Codes under the Alpha Codes would identify the Box no. that these Options are associated with. The Box no. would form the first two digits of the Sales Code. Some of these possible Options might be deduced from '64 Sales Codes, such as I have done for the Console.

    For Example, the next Additional code after SY/60 is I?/53 (2nd character after I is illegible). It was pretty routine for Pontiac to offer Tinted Glass- All Windows. Your GP has this Option, Sales Code 531. Alpha code I. Pre-printed Option on the Manifest.

    But at least as far back as '57, they offered a 2nd Option, Tinted Glass-Windshield Only.

    In '64, this was Sales Code 532. If your car had been equipped with this Option instead of Tinted Glass-All Windows, then a "2" would undoubtedly have been coded under the typed I?/53. The Box 53 EZI-Glass Option would have been blank. Your Build Sheet would not have had the "I" coded between the LL & QX. Instead, the "I?" code would have followed the SY on the Build Sheet.

    I won't claim that I can determine the correlation of each of these Additional Options, but I suspect that with additional research, some correlations would be obvious.

    I have figured out the description of each Pre-Printed Option on the Manifest. Some of the more difficult that we have unraveled are:

    Box 59, Code CC is MAGI-CRUISE CONTROL
    Box 59, Code X is "GUIDE-MATIC H/L"
    Box 60, Code GR "ENGINE CRANKCASE VENT
    Box 60, Code M is "ELECT. CLOCK"
    Box 61, no Alpha Code, might be "SAFEGRD SPDO & FUEL LAMP KILO", the Export version of the Safeguard Speedometer Option.


    Mike, I edited some things based on things we figured out after I sent this to John T. I also removed comments not related to the decode.

    What follows are some things that were posted at PY that may also be useful to others and remained valid. Again, edit where necessary.

    These codes are obviously the old alpha Accessory Code format, at least thru '58, the Accessorizer listed the options according to these 1 & 2 character codes. I'm sure some of them were coded the same in '62 as they had been in '58. These alpha Codes did not appear in the '62 Accessorizer, nor were the numeric Sales Codes indicated. But since both appear on the Doraville Pontiac Manifest Form, it is easy to decipher the Build Sheet codes from what is found on the Manifest.

    Some of these alpha Codes are also found in the Doraville Body Data Plate, but not enough to be useful for a complete decode of the Build Sheet.

    Sales Code 411, alpha Code KK is shown on the Manifest as being the Rear Seat Foam Cushion option. It is not clear if this was truly extra foam cushion in the Rear Seat. It is indicated by asterisk to be standard content for the GP Model. In all likelihood, this designated the Fold Down Rear Armrest seat configuration that was part of the standard GP seat configuration rather than extra foam cushion.

    Front Seat Foam Cushion was a Pontiac option in '62 but only provided for the full bench seat. Not applicable to Bucket Seats and was not coded for the GP with Bucket Seats.

    According to the Manifest, Sales Code 392, alpha Code ES identifies the Super Deluxe Pushbutton AM Radio with Electric Antenna. The GP included the Rear Seat Speaker Grille, but did not automatically include the Rear Seat Speaker. This GP did not have the Rear Seat Speaker option.

    I suspect this car was optioned with some of the Accessory Group options.

    The Super Deluxe Radio was part of the Basic Group option package.

    I don't know the entire make-up of the Basic Group option package, but I suspect your GP was ordered with it.

    This GP has the Visor Vanity Mirror, the Remote O/S Mirror, & the Tilting Non-Glare Inside Mirror. These 3 options comprised the Mirror Group option package.

    You also have all of the individual options that comprised the Lamp Group option package, so likely the Lamp Group was ordered.

    The '62 GP came standard with the Center Console and Console Mounted Tach (Auto Trans and Man Trans).

    Mike, I think what follows was the most interesting info I posted at PY, but it was not completely accurate. I will cut out what was determined to be untrue and leave as much of it as possible.

    You can then post as much of this entire story as you see fit. Hope it helps somebody else.

    I do believe I have figured out your SY code. To keep you in suspense, more on that in a minute.


    I'm sure there was some transitioning of code formats. Chevy had been using a 3 digit Sales Code for ordering at least as far back as '61. Olds was still using the 1 or 2 character alpha/numeric Code system for ordering in '62.

    Pontiac also was using a similar 3 digit numeric Option ordering system as Chevy at least as early as '61. The numeric codes for a given option were different between the two Divisions, '64 Tempests built at Chevy Plants in KC & Balt. were translated from the Pontiac Sales Codes to the Chevy Sales Codes for the build order. Even PHS doesn't yet know how to translate the Chevy docs for these builds.

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    Part 3

    Doraville was a B-O-P controlled Plant, but Chevys were also built there at least in '64 (model production shifted from Plant to Plant as GM needed). Oldsmobiles for sure were being built at Doraville in '62.

    In '64, Doraville used GMs UPC system for identifying Options on the Manifest. The UPC system was also used by the B-O-P Plant at Fremont in '64.

    But in '62, Doraville continued to Code the older style 1 & 2 alpha/numeric Option codes, but the Manifests actually translated these Order codes to a 3 digit numeric code. Oldsmobile had their own set of 3 digit codes, Pontiac theirs.

    I have yet to find the '62 Pontiac numeric Codes in any reference. Fortunately, they appear on the Manifest to be little changed from '64 which I do have. That helps.

    The layout of the Doraville Manifest is pretty straightforward. It is even easier to translate than the '62 Manifest used at the Pontiac Plant. At the Pontiac Plant, each numbered Box had just one spot for a Code. As many as 3 Options were coded in a single Box (a 4th option would have meant the possibility of a double digit code in the Box which Pontiac intentionally avoided).

    At Doraville, each Option had its own Code Box. For example, Option Codes 481, 482, and 484 are all individually coded on your Doraville Manifest. And each Code is identified in words and the corresponding old format alpha code for that option is also identified. If the code numeral is typed in the box for that option, the car was built with it. No brainer.

    But at the Pontiac Plant, there is only one Box labeled 48. There is no verbiage associated with the Box and there is no old style alpha Code associated with the Box.

    If the Box is Blank, the car had none of the 3 Lamp options. If there was a "1" in the Box, the car was built with only the Luggage & Utility Lamp.

    If it had a "2" in the Box, it was built with only the Glove Box Lamp. A "4" meant it had only the Dome & Reading Lamp.

    In order to code combinations of these 3 options, the codes were additive. A "3" meant you got "1" & "2". A "5" meant you got "1" & "4". A "6" meant you got "2" & "4". A "7" meant you got all 3 options.

    The basic Doraville Manifest was organized with the Options that were listed on the Regular big Pontiac Order Form.

    But you could also specify some special things such as an Axle Ratio preference or a Special Paint Color.

    Now I can't tell you exactly how this was done in '62, but I assume it was done in a similar way to how it was done in '64.

    In '64, these things would be ordered by handwritten instructions in a Special Instructions Box for that purpose on a separate Form called the "All Series Special Equipment Order" form. There was most likely a check off box on the Regular Order Form that indicated that a Special Equipment Order was included.

    The ASSE Order Form didn't just allow you to specify axle ratios and special paint colors.

    On this Form was a long list of Special Equipment Options, each with their own 3 digit numeric Order Code and presumably each that could be translated to the older alpha/numeric code format.

    Some of the available Special Equipment Options included special Group options like Trailer Group option, Taxi Group option, and Police Group option.

    Individual Special Equipment Options included HD Radiator, HD Frame, HD Alternator, special Tire Options, and Special Engine Options such as the Economy Engine Option.

    The oldest example of an ASSE Order Form that exists to my knowledge is the '65 Form.

    In '62, a whole string of Additional Options were coded in the open ****e at the end of the second line on the Doraville Manifests, where SY is typed on your Manifest. Whether these were considered Special Equipment Options or just were regular options for which there was no place for in the pre-printed portion of the Manifest, I do not know.

    Where you see the SY, you find 60 typed below it. Same thing for all the other additional Codes found on the Doraville Manifest.

    The numeric code is not unrelated.

    What that is telling you is that the Equipment Option that is identified by SY was given a numeric Sales Code by Pontiac that would have been coded in Box 60.

    Unfortunately, the 3rd digit is not given and of course they didn't bother to type out the full option description such as is conveniently pre-printed for all of the regular options.

    On the Window Sticker you would find verbiage something to the effect that "Equipment & Options that are extra cost on some models are standard on this model" followed by a list of those items. For the Grand Prix, these items include Electric Clock, Bucket Seats, etc.

    Even though these items are not extra cost, the Manifest has still identified them.

    For instance the Bucket Seats are called out with an "*" typed in the Box for Sales Code 562, Code SZ in that Box instead of a "2" for a Model where Bucket Seats were an extra cost option.

    The asterisk was used to code the inclusion while indicating at the same time that this was not an Extra Cost option to be itemized on the Window Sticker or added to the Dealer Invoice.

    Doraville used the asterisks to indicate standard content options on the '62, consequently the GP shows asterisks for Sales Code 402/K Dual Speed Wipers, Sales Code 411/KK Rear Foam Cushion (most likely indicating the Rear Arm Rest), Sales Code 424/JX Instrument Panel Pad, Sales Code 461/H Deluxe Steering Wheel, Sales Code 464/DM Decor Moldings, Sales Code 511/LL Dual Exhaust, Sales Code 562/SZ Bucket Seats, Sales Code 572/QC Spare Wheel & Tire Cover, and Sales Code 604/M Electric Clock. And of course, Sales Code 601/SY Floor Console with Tach that was the subject of the study.

    In the '62 GP, the Tach was mounted to the Top Front Molding of the Floor Console and apparently used with the Man Trans and Auto Trans applications.

    This is anticlimatic, but I do believe the Equipment Option identified on your Doraville Manifest by Code SY/60 is the Floor Console.

    The Console was standard equipment in the GP, so would not have been listed as an Extra Cost option on the Window Sticker, rather as a standard content item for the Model.

    The Floor Console was identified by Sales Code 601 in '64, I believe that like the other Sales Codes you have listed for '62 which match the Codes used in '64, it also would have been Code 601 in '62.

    The Console is NOT listed as an identified pre-printed option on the Doraville Manifest.

    I am fairly confident it must have been considered a Special Equipment option. And since I know it was Code 601 in '64, I am fairly confident that it is the option indicated by the SY/60 Special Equipment Option coded on your Manifest.

    That's it, hopefully accurate.

    Best regards,
    John V.

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    In some years, during the sixties, SY was a Pontiac front spring code, for the heavy duty spring used when the car had air conditioning or an optional larger engine. Indicated on build sheets (and per assembly manuals). I don't know specifically about Bonnevilles though. Could that be it?

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